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Chat Transcript - 01/16/07 Small Lettering

Jeri Lee	Greetings
Craig_Stephens	Hello everyone, this is my first time....
Jeri Lee	Hello Craig!
Jeri Lee	Welcome!
Joanne	Hi Craig! It's great! Have fun
JohnL	Me too.
Jeri Lee	Another five minutes and we will start. Want to give all attendees time to get in the room here.
Jeri Lee	Okay. For those of you who have not attended our chats before,
Jeri Lee	these are interacting chats.
Jeri Lee	You can participate as you like, watch and listen, interject at will.
Jeri Lee	We answer questions as we go along, and in order pretty much
Jeri Lee	No question is unimportant or too 'new' to ask
Jeri Lee	If you have things to say, say them. If you have a technique that works for you, please feel free to share it.
Jeri Lee	Okay, let's get started
JohnL	What is the smallest lettering we can work?
Jeri Lee	2 mm
Jeri Lee	And let me explain that
Jeri Lee	You can do 2 mm high lettering in a run stitch. Not in a satin, or a Pulse keyboard font
ladyle	how tall in inches
Jeri Lee	2 mm is....
Jeri Lee	let's see....
Jeri Lee	about 1/12 an inch
Saundra-Works of ARt	What is that in mm?
Cheryl	when you say run stitch ..you mean hand digitize it?
Jeri Lee	yes, you read that right, 1/12
Jeri Lee	Cheryl, that is correct
ladyle	okay. I'm old and can only deal in inches
Jeri Lee	1/12 an inch is 2 mm
tortelvis	.078 inches = 2mm
Jeri Lee	Let me explain a bit on millimeters and inches.
Jeri Lee	In inches, you cannot do very precise measurements in the software.
Jeri Lee	1 inch equals 25.4 mm, but I round down to 25.
Jeri Lee	When you do pull comp in inches (absolute), your smallest setting is .01 inches
Jeri Lee	in mm, you can go as small as you want just about.
Jeri Lee	in inches, your next measurement choice upward is .02 inches.
Jeri Lee	see the wide gap there?
Jeri Lee	That does not sound like much but it is actually a large jump
JohnL	What about density?
Cheryl	hard to visualize
Jeri Lee	okay, hang on John, we will do density in a sec.
Jeri Lee	To help you understand what a mm is,
Jeri Lee	think of one piece of 40 weight thread.
Jeri Lee	Coincidentally, that is .40 mm wide, or round up to half a millimeter
Jeri Lee	1 mm is 2 pieces of 40 weight thread.
Jeri Lee	very skinny.
Cheryl	hmm
Jeri Lee	Do not be confused by this though, it does not hold true for thread weights generally.
Jeri Lee	It is only coincidental that 40 weight equals .40 mm wide
Jeri Lee	60 weight is much thinner than 40 weight and is not .60 mm wide!
Jeri Lee	Okay, let's touch on that density.
Saundra-Works of ARt	Just a bit dof input when someone bring you line art it can go down to 1/1000th of a mm so al lot of art cnnot be converted to lettering
Jeri Lee	John, when you asked about the density, are you measuring in millimeters, inches or spi?
Jeri Lee	Saundra is right, and we will address that further, she brings up a very good point.
JohnL	spi
ladyle	pts
Jeri Lee	4 points equals 63.5 spi, which equals 4 points. :-)
Jeri Lee	On density, when you use spi, you simply add a positive number to your density and it ADDS density
Shelly	i'm finally not the only one who uses pts!
Jeri Lee	On points, when you add a positive number it ADDS space or DECREASES density.
Jeri Lee	3.3 points equals 77 spi I believe it is
Jeri Lee	3 points is around 84.7 spi.
Jeri Lee	See how that works?
Shelly	how do you figure that?
ladyle	just us old folks use in & pts
Shelly	hey now!
nettie	why are there so many different ways to do the same thing?
Saundra-Works of ARt	The same is true with mm adding to it decreases density.
eleganttreasures@fuse.net	remember guys, age is relative!
Jeri Lee	Now, in small lettering, we do not want a lot of density in the letters.
Jeri Lee	Can anyone tell me why?
Cheryl	good cause this is going to take some 'digesting' later
ladyle	trd breaks
Jeri Lee	Yes, thread breaks
Shelly	bunches up and closes up
Jeri Lee	why
Jeri Lee	yes
Linda Perry	They would be too thick and close up
Shelly	too much thread
Jeri Lee	Yes, too thick
Jeri Lee	exactly
Shelly	in little area
Jeri Lee	good
Jeri Lee	Let's start at the beginning here
ladyle	i use 60 wt on very sm lettering
Jeri Lee	In all lettering (and this is going back to what Saundra said) you must have 1 mm width on all columns
Ray	and a 60 or 65 needle
Ricki	Should you use more underlay?
Jeri Lee	Yes, 60 weight and a 65/9 needle
Jeri Lee	In small lettering you decrease underlay.
Jeri Lee	See, there is only so much room in a small area., right?
ladyle	I use double run
Jeri Lee	If you have a 4 mm high letter
Cheryl	no matter what kind of fabric?
Jeri Lee	You only have so much room under your letter
Jeri Lee	small lettering is 4 mm or so
Jeri Lee	which is less than 1/4 inch
Jeri Lee	5 mm is 1/5 and inch
Jeri Lee	very small
ladyle	.156 is 4 mm
Jeri Lee	You use perpendicular (or a double run) underlay on small lettering, if you have room
ladyle	Just over1/8 th
Jeri Lee	If you can only make one pass of underlay, then that is what you do.
Jeri Lee	You can set the software to do one pass of perpendicular.
Jeri Lee	Your satin columns must be 1 mm (or 2 thread widths) wide
Jeri Lee	You can get by with .80 mm, but you can only use one pass of perpendicular under there
Jeri Lee	Why?
Jeri Lee	Because the thread is .40 mm wide
ladyle	needle is .65
Jeri Lee	You need to leave enough room on the letters to have the needle insert on either side.
Jeri Lee	Yes, 65/9 needle is recommended for small lettering, in conjunction with 60 weight thread
Shelly	the underlay will stick out on the sides
Jeri Lee	Oftentimes, you cannot find 60 weight thread in the color your customer needs.
Jeri Lee	So, you have to make do with 40 weight.
Jeri Lee	Optimum desires don't always mean reality in a shop.
Jeri Lee	So, we use 40 weight if necessary and decrease density.
mikeg	now i know what the 65 means but what is the nine in 65/9
ladyle	50 wt cotton comes in a lot of colors. Works in a pinch
Jeri Lee	One is a European number, one is an American number.
Cheryl	increase density in spi?
Saundra-Works of ARt	9 is the size of the needle hole
Jeri Lee	On needles, the larger the number, the larger the shaft and the eye lf the needle
mikeg	tks
Craig_Stephens	What density do you use with 60wt?
Jeri Lee	Cheryl, what do you mean increase density?
Jeri Lee	On 60 weight, you can maintain regular density, because the thread is thinner.
Cheryl	you said increase density
Jeri Lee	I do not increase density on small letters, but most often decrease density.
Jeri Lee	Sorry, I must have mis-spoken, hope I did not confuse!
Jeri Lee	Small lettering is very often required by our customers.
Cheryl	I'm sorry yes, decrease..but in which format..spi or in
Jeri Lee	I personally use spi.
Jeri Lee	pts, spi, mm's, it's all the same, you get to the same point, just a different way.
ladyle	Customers want a lot. No idea if it can work
tortelvis	so if we punch at 74 spi drop letters to say 62 spi?
Jeri Lee	This is where we all get to become educators.
Cheryl	but you need to know which you are in to make the adjustment?
Jeri Lee	Yes, you need to know which you are in.
Jeri Lee	You can see that at the top of your screen, it will tell you what your master density is
Jeri Lee	If you are at 74 spi, then on small, you might drop 7 spi.
Jeri Lee	It also depends on the fabric you are using.
Ricki	I thought it defaulted to 59.5
Jeri Lee	Pique likes more density.
Jeri Lee	Default is 63.5
Jeri Lee	You can change that overall, for the entire system, or design by design.
Jeri Lee	On 4 mm lettering, the optimum would be a 65/9 needle and 60 weight thread.
Jeri Lee	Often in shops, there is one needle dedicated to that size needle and thread.
Jeri Lee	Many shops ignore the 60 weight thread, and make do with 40 weight all the way around.
Shelly	i don't have room to store 2 weights of thread in every color!
Jeri Lee	LOL, luckily for you 60 weight does not come in every color and the spools are tiny.
Shelly	oh, lol
Jeri Lee	As someone mentioned, you can use 50 weight also.
Saundra-Works of ARt	I just use 40 wt on all and change the density like Jeri Lee is pointing out. Works fine
Jeri Lee	DMC has a nice color selection, but I believe it is cotton.
Jeri Lee	Saundra, do you stick with a 75/11 needle?
ladyle	I try to stick to std colors. I charm my cust inti it
Jeri Lee	There you go!
Shelly	i never change from a 75/11
Cheryl	does it hurt to leave the 65/9 needle in for general applications?
Saundra-Works of ARt	all of my needles are size 75/12 I believe
nettie	We are pretty much just talking about letters that you are punching yourself correct?
tortelvis	i have done both 40 wt and 60wt with a 65/9 and there is a bit of difference. 60wt is definately more legible.
eleganttreasures@fuse.net	I rarely change needles or threads as well, just density
Jeri Lee	No, you can use small keyboard lettering under what it is supposed to be stitched at with the smaller needle/thread/lower density
mikeg	makes sence
Jeri Lee	I punch all designs with small lettering allowing for the customer to use 40 weight thread and the 75/11 needle.
nettie	ok
Jeri Lee	Many shops won't change out.
Jeri Lee	Let's talk about another important component of the small letter.
Jeri Lee	That would be,
Jeri Lee	the openings.
Jeri Lee	Just as your columns need to be 1 mm wide to give you a nice satin (pull comped to 1.2 is choice),
Jeri Lee	your openings in your lower case e's, p, q, o, r, etc., need to be 1 mm.
Jeri Lee	If you do not have an opening on your screen, you will not have one on your garment.
Jeri Lee	So, when you are doing small lettering, you have to measure 2 things:
Jeri Lee	the column width,
Jeri Lee	and
Jeri Lee	the openings on the smallest areas of your letters.
Jeri Lee	Are there any questions on what we have covered so far?
Linda Perry	Jerilee:
Jeri Lee	Yes
Linda Perry	On pull comp--How do you measure if you use absolute?
Jeri Lee	I use .20 mm most generally but go down to .10 with caution
Jeri Lee	and then I measure.
Cheryl	and what does 'b
Jeri Lee	If it looks bad on the stitch out, if the satin turns into a run, I boot the pull comp back up.
Cheryl	absolute mean
Shelly	and that is 2.0 in absolute, right?
Jeri Lee	are you in mm?
Shelly	no
Jeri Lee	Absolute means?
Shelly	not sure what it is
Jeri Lee	Absolute means:
Shelly	i can't remember
ladyle	smae onall sides
Jeri Lee	You will get exactly and absolutely the same amount of pull comp on all areas of your letter, or your fill.
ladyle	can't type either
Cheryl	tx
Jeri Lee	If you use percentage:
Cheryl	thus...why we use it on sm letters
Jeri Lee	You get a percentage of the area.
Jeri Lee	ie"
Jeri Lee	say you have a column that is wide at the top and narrow at the bottom.
Jeri Lee	If you apply 115% pullcomp
Jeri Lee	the system will measure all the column and give you 15% pullcomp on all areas
Jeri Lee	the wider area will have more based on the fact that it is wider
Jeri Lee	the skinniest area will have 15% of its width, which is less, because mathematically, it is smaller already.
mikeg	is there a general guide on pull comp available?
lattemarie	Which one do you recommend and use, JeriLee?
Jeri Lee	In Maestro, you have inside and outside pull comp.
Jeri Lee	Well, Mike,
Jeri Lee	in a word, no.
Shelly	one question about that, i forgot to ask you on stock designs, they are usually percent, can I change that to abusolute?
Jeri Lee	If you are a puncher, you will have a measurement that you prefer.
Jeri Lee	I prefer .20 mm but will go down if necessary.
Jeri Lee	Ed prefers .13 as a default but adjusts up or down as necessary.
Jeri Lee	Saundra, can you answer that on Shelly's question?
Saundra-Works of ARt	Saundra prefers .30mm
Cheryl	are you talking about changing pull comp on 'designs? I thought we were talking about lettering
Shelly	i just jumped off for a sec, sorry
Saundra-Works of ARt	you can change anything on a stock desity including theover all pull comp
Jeri Lee	Well, sometimes we kind of offshoot...
Saundra-Works of ARt	just watch out it can take drastic effect on something punched in a different system
Shelly	thanks, saundra
Jeri Lee	Okay.
Jeri Lee	So this is what we have covered:
Jeri Lee	Small lettering includes 2 mm hand punched run stitch lettering.
Jeri Lee	On small lettering that is comprised of satins, we often decrease density to accomodate the small size of the lettering.
Jeri Lee	We can use stock lettering at a lesser height than recommended if we decrease density.
Jeri Lee	Often we use 65/9 needles with 50 or 60 weight thread to make the small letters more legible.
Jeri Lee	If you use 75/11 needles and 40 weight thread,
Jeri Lee	you can still accomplish a nice looking letter by decreasing th density.
Linda Perry	That is great to know. I always stayed away from less than what was recommended
Jeri Lee	The larger the needle number, the larger the eye/shaft which means, the larger the hole in the garment.
mikeg	explains why I was having some problems with muddy letters
Jeri Lee	To have a satin, we need 1 mm width on columns
Saundra-Works of ARt	keep in mind stock lettering with block seriffs will just poke hole if made smaller
Jeri Lee	and to have openings in letters, we need 1 mm openings.
Jeri Lee	Underlay is perpendicular.
Jeri Lee	Are there any questions on what we have covered so far?
Saundra-Works of ARt	At what stitch length do you put your underlay
Shelly	should we decrease the stitch length on underlay?
Jeri Lee	Yes.
Jeri Lee	good question, thank you!
Jeri Lee	I like to decrease the run stitch length to 2 mm, and in some cases, 1.5
hack	Is density, then, the reason the inside angle of a letter L isn't crisp?
Saundra-Works of ARt	what inset distance/ do you get that choice on perpendicular?
Cheryl	what is the dif between satin and run stitches..in lettering...can you do run stitches
Jeri Lee	No, not necessarily, on the L question
Ed	sometimes a manual run underlay is needed as well.
Bill	Is there a way to adjust the width of the thread on the screen to compensate for the difference in 40wt & 60 wt threads so it is more realistic
Jeri Lee	I use .50 inset.
Jeri Lee	I do not think you can adjust the thread look on the screen.
Ed	if you ever notice sometimes a perpendicular, even set to 1 line will run multiple tmes
Jeri Lee	How many of you punch your own letters?
Ed	that can be a kiss of death on a letter with a hole
Jeri Lee	Absolutely!
Saundra-Works of ARt	yea here
Shelly	i do when i have to!!
hack	I do, but my L problem is with stock fonts
mikeg	yes I do
lattemarie	Thank-you ... I've notice that and didn't know why
Ed	i think in design properties, there is a thread thickness
Jeri Lee	Is there?
Ed	but i don't recal
Ed	for sure
Saundra-Works of ARt	I do like ed's small lettering though
Jeri Lee	On L's, often the problem is the way the stitches are going around the corner.
Saundra-Works of ARt	Actually you can choose madiera 60 if that does anything I don't know I will play
hack	I try to keep them perpendicular pretty close to the corner--is that wrong?
Jeri Lee	You want it to run down the center
Jeri Lee	On corners of L's, there is a technique that Ed often uses on his small lettering, where
Ed	too close to the edges can make the underlay stick out
Ed	giving a rough jagged frayed look
Jeri Lee	Where he does not actually have the letters connected
Jeri Lee	Excuse me, the segments of the letters connected.
Ed	the less harsh a corner, the better
Jeri Lee	There is a small space like for instance on the L
Jeri Lee	Columns of satin 'push' outward at the end.
Jeri Lee	By leaving the small space,
Jeri Lee	he is allowing for the 'push' of the thread in the column, which fills in the corner nicely.
hack	So less density just in the corner!
Jeri Lee	To see an example of this, go to the website after the chat, and look at Baby Jag.
Jeri Lee	www.embforum.com.
Jeri Lee	You want less density in the corner, yes, and that is what the space left accomplishes.
Jeri Lee	Ed also brought up a very good point regarding the underlay.
hack	I'm confused about "harsh" corners--which are harsh?
Ed	here is another good exercise to try... in the system do a Block E and then convert text to segments
Ed	make sure your show beads are on
Ed	and look at the 3 angle lines that make the corner
Jeri Lee	Hack, if you start at the top of your L, then do your corner, then do the end of the L, that is 'harsh'
Ed	you will notice how far apart the outside angle lines are
Jeri Lee	it allows for excess thread to gather in the corner.
Ed	and and how CLOSE the inside angle lines are.
Ed	it just demonstrates how you have so much less of a turning space available on an inside corner.
Jeri Lee	On the underlay,
Jeri Lee	If you hand punch (manual punch) the underlay, you have much more control over it.
hack	So am I right that it's better to keep perpendicular angle lines pretty close to the corners?
Jeri Lee	As we have seen, sometimes the system gives you 3 passes when you only asked for 1!
Jeri Lee	If you manually lay the underlay, you control how many passes you get.
hack	If I understand you, harsh is where you just let the stitches do their own angling between the end and the corner
Jeri Lee	You want more control.
Ed	the closer your angle lines are in the corners, the harsher it has to turn
Jeri Lee	And that's when your fabric gets drilled.
Ed	if you spread them out a bit, then the stitches can turn a little more freely.
hack	Oops--I'm confused again then--
Jeri Lee	Okay, if you have angle lines very close to one another,
Jeri Lee	you are dictating what area has to do what turning.
Jeri Lee	The closer to the corner they are, the more they have to do in a very small space.
idette	that's why when you use Baby Jag, it looks like there are big gaps, but when you stitch it, it looks fine?
Ed	yes, the gaps are intentional
Donna	is baby jag the best font to use on small letters
Ed	think of it as a joint in concrete
hack	but I thought Ed said a harsh corner would be NO angle lines UNTIL the corner, just one in the corner--sorry I'm stuck on this point
Cheryl	can you change the key board fonts when this happens?
Ed	to allow for movement
Jeri Lee	Hack, I believe I confused you.
Jeri Lee	Let me try to unconfuse you.
Ed	hack, three angle lines in a corner very close to one another is asking for a very tight turn.
hack	Actually I've been confused about this for a long time, Jeri Lee--you didn't do it!
Ed	three angle lines in a corner a little spaced apart allow for a less harsh turn.
reen	in the segment settings on the satin tab in the connection end there are four choices, sharp,square,chiseled and zigzag...which one is better for small lettering?
Cheryl	i was told sharp
Jeri Lee	When I digitize letters, and I have an L,
hack	What about two line that are perpendicular to the satin, FAIRLY close to the corner, but with none IN the corner...
Jeri Lee	I ease into the corners.
Jeri Lee	Try to keep your underlay in the CENTER of the letter.
Jeri Lee	Is this clearing it up a bit hack?
Jeri Lee	When I say I ease into the corners,
hack	um--well, let me ask another way
Jeri Lee	I have my straight line across the top of the L.
Jeri Lee	As I move down the letter to the corner, on a normal size L,
Jeri Lee	I begin to angle a bit until I get somewhat close to the corner
Jeri Lee	then the angle preceeding and following the corner angle,
Jeri Lee	are the same as the corner
Jeri Lee	BUT
Jeri Lee	they are not close to the corner
Jeri Lee	then I ease out to the final angle line on the lower leg.
Jeri Lee	I am directing the thread at what I want it to do.
hack	So you DO want some angling before you get too close to the corner.
Jeri Lee	I personally do it like that,
Jeri Lee	Every digitizer has their own method.
Jeri Lee	But realize, that is on NORMAL size letters.
Jeri Lee	On small letters, Ed
Jeri Lee	has a tried and true method,
Jeri Lee	of leaving some space between the segments,
Jeri Lee	so the L would actually be 2 segments.
Ed	i will do a few screen shots for both methods and post.. brb.
Jeri Lee	Thank you.
Jeri Lee	His space in the corner area
hack	I've been trying to keep daylight between the lines (onscreen), but that does cause short stitches in the corner--maybe that's my question--do you want MORE or LESS short stitches in a corner? (And I DO get it about Ed's 2-segment method--I like that.)
Jeri Lee	allows for the 'push
hack	Screen shots would be great
Jeri Lee	of the thread.
Jeri Lee	LESS stitches in a corner.
Jeri Lee	Whew, I think we nailed that one... LOL!
Jeri Lee	Does this make sense now?
hack	And less SHORT ones?
hack	Where they're short to avoid being on top of each other?
Jeri Lee	You want an altering if you can between long and short, to 'ease' around the corner, but if you do this Ed's way on small letters, you don't have that problem.
Jeri Lee	His small letter technique is for... lol... small letters....
Jeri Lee	I have alluded to the 'push' of the thread on columns
lattemarie	lol
Jeri Lee	Does anyone not understand what I am talking about on that?
mikeg	not really
Jeri Lee	Okay.
Jeri Lee	On columns,
Jeri Lee	the needle inserts side to side, right?
mikeg	correct
Jeri Lee	okay. What happens?
Jeri Lee	It pulls IN, which is why we have pull comp, right?
Jeri Lee	That thread has to go SOMEWHERE.
Jeri Lee	Where is it going to go?
Jeri Lee	Out either end.
Jeri Lee	It is 'pushing' out the ends.
Jeri Lee	Which is why it 'fills' in when you leave gaps on small letters.
Jeri Lee	Does that make sense?
mikeg	big light bulb!
Jeri Lee	Any questions so far/
lattemarie	Jeri Lee, is .4 a good guideline for push comp?
Jeri Lee	That is Ed's chosen.
Jeri Lee	:-)
Jeri Lee	I prefer .2
lattemarie	Ok, thanks
lattemarie	What I meant is ... do you generally allow for the push to be approximately .4mm?
Saundra-Works of ARt	yep
Jeri Lee	Marie,
eleganttreasures@fuse.net	I'll have a few...not great for diet, but sounds great!
Jeri Lee	So, split that and say .3?
Jeri Lee	LOL
hack	It seems to vary, how much is needed--for instance, if you have to columns that overlap, don't they push more?
Jeri Lee	Karen, you so don't need a diet. GET OUTTA HEAH
lattemarie	I had a design I needed this for recently because I was doing outlines
lattemarie	on lettering
hack	two, I mean
Linda Perry	If you don't have Maestro, you aren't able to control push, right?
Jeri Lee	Yes, Linda you can.
eleganttreasures@fuse.net	Thanks JL...not enought running lately!
lattemarie	So I needed to know exactly how much the columns were pushing to line everything up
Jeri Lee	However, bad me, I do not use that tool
Jeri Lee	In maestro.
Jeri Lee	Oh, hang on hack, yes there is a 'setting'.
hack	OH! Is it in an update? I always just adjust it manually...
Jeri Lee	Welcome to the beauty of Ed and the Forum!
Jeri Lee	He figured it out!
Jeri Lee	No, it is not in an update
hack	I'm hanging on!
Jeri Lee	You measure it on screen.
reen	how?
Jeri Lee	on the Forum, we can attach files.
Jeri Lee	and Ed's famous for his screen shots... lol
Jeri Lee	great learing tools.
Jeri Lee	Okay.
Jeri Lee	Let me try.
Jeri Lee	Say you have a piece of artwork
Jeri Lee	You see that you have the letter I
Jeri Lee	Now
Gaily	okay
Jeri Lee	you are going to measure from the bottom of the I
Jeri Lee	and you are going to go up 2 (4) mm
Jeri Lee	and you are going to drag a guideline up to that.
Jeri Lee	You are going to do the same for the top of any column letters.
Jeri Lee	The thread will 'push' out far enough on the garment to fill in that 4 mm area
Jeri Lee	Do you understand?
Shelly	he has a guide for this somewhere on the forum website
Shelly	which letters to do this with
lattemarie	I'd love to know where that is
Jeri Lee	All columns
Ed	www.embforum.com/corners.jpg should demonstrate what we were discussing with the angle lines in the corners
hack	I thought you meant a setting like pull comp
Jeri Lee	There you go
hack	thanks Ed
Jeri Lee	Pullcomp affects the width.
hack	OK
Jeri Lee	not the height, but in a way it does affect the height.
Saundra-Works of ARt	is'nt that great that ed can just create that for us. I want to be like ed
eleganttreasures@fuse.net	Thanks Ed for the Visual..
Jeri Lee	We ALL want to be like Ed!
rshields	Very nice illustrations. Thank you.
Gaily	where are the visuals
Jeri Lee	Does anyone have any questions thus far.
eleganttreasures@fuse.net	stop Saundra...I'm going to have to make some....
Jeri Lee	www.embforum.com/corners.jpg
Jeri Lee	No questions so far. okay!
hack	(The corners jpg cleared things up for me. That probably could never have been done verbally!)
Saundra-Works of ARt	Yeah what about different fabrics does it work the same on all???
Jeri Lee	Here is a good visual and a good way to learn a lot in your shops:
mikeg	getting clearer all the time
Ed	craig, acutally, we have that type of service but some people can't attend without high speed
Jeri Lee	I want you each to do an exercise.
Ed	we do some webinars
Jeri Lee	Saundra brought up a very good point, little baker that she is
Ed	click on this link
Jeri Lee	Gaily, did you click on the link?
Ed	www.embforum.com/corners.jpg
Jeri Lee	click there.
hack	I know Ed--when are we having more webinars? I haven't heard of any lately.
Ed	i am working on the schedule now
Jeri Lee	Here is the exercise,
Jeri Lee	It has to do with size and density.
Jeri Lee	On a new screen,
Shelly	i clicked and it through me out of here!
Jeri Lee	type in the words EmbForum in block, at 6.25, which is 1/4 inch.
Linda Perry	I tried to click on the link--did not work
Gaily	it is not working for me either
Ed	if you have a pop up blocker, clicking on the link in here won't work
Jeri Lee	we will wait until we have the link issue cleared and everyone has had a chance to look.
Shelly	i got it it was my pop up blocker!
Jeri Lee	Okay, are we good to go?
reen	I'm printing the picture for future reference
Jeri Lee	let's go on to the exercise I want you all to do
Jeri Lee	On the exercise.
Jeri Lee	I want all of you to after the chat, get a new screen on your software.
reen	where there seems to be a space in the corners is there actually a space?
Jeri Lee	I want you to type in a word, EmbForum works.
Gaily	i have visual now thank you
Jeri Lee	Type it in at 6.25, which is .25 inches.
Jeri Lee	In Block font.
reen	I meant blank space
Jeri Lee	Now duplicate that.
Jeri Lee	Reen, yes, there actually is a space... :-)
Jeri Lee	Now I want you to duplicate that block font text,
reen	and it will still sew?
Jeri Lee	three times.
Jeri Lee	Yes, it sews.
Jeri Lee	Put them under one another, going down the screen.
Jeri Lee	On the first one, leave that at full size of quarter inch.
Jeri Lee	next one down, size that to 5.75 mm.
nettie	how do you type it in at 6.25, do you mean shrink it to that?
Jeri Lee	You are going to type in your first line of text at quarter inch, which is 6.25 mm high.
Jeri Lee	same thing, just different ways of measureing.
Jeri Lee	Now.
Jeri Lee	next one down, tell the software to make it 5.75 mm.
Jeri Lee	Even if you are in inches.
Ed	fyi in the software, you can put mm or in after your measurement regardless how your settings are
Jeri Lee	you can type in 5.57 mm, and it will adjust it for you.
Jeri Lee	In otherwords, it will convert for you.
Jeri Lee	3rd one down, go to 5 mm.
Jeri Lee	4th one down, go to 4 mm.
Jeri Lee	I meant 5.75, not 5.57...
Jeri Lee	Everyone following so far?
Jeri Lee	and i really do expect you guys to actually DO this... lol!
lattemarie	ok
Jeri Lee	It is extremely visual.
rshields	We will Sir!
physte2	I'm in!
Jeri Lee	You need upper and lower case.
Jeri Lee	lol
Jeri Lee	Once you have done this.
Jeri Lee	You will leave the top lettering at full density.
Jeri Lee	Next size down, decrease by 5 spi.
Bill	DONE ..... thankful for dual displays
Jeri Lee	(If you are using points or mm, you can tell it -5spi and it will adjust)
Shelly	lo
Shelly	lol
Jeri Lee	Third one down, you can go -9 spi
Jeri Lee	4th one down, you can go - 10 to -12 spi.
Jeri Lee	and if you are really brave
Jeri Lee	you can have a 5th row at 3.5 mm high.
Jeri Lee	For learning purposes.
Gaily	I am trying to find the denisty
Jeri Lee	Density is under your satin tab in your segment settings,
Jeri Lee	on the upper right.
Jeri Lee	It is set to 0.0
Gaily	got it
Jeri Lee	until youdo something with it.
Jeri Lee	Some of you will need to adjust more, because you have your system set to 74.7 or 77 spi.
Jeri Lee	But, this is a learning exercise.
Jeri Lee	You will have perpendicular underlay
Jeri Lee	Inset distance of .50
lattemarie	What would you recommend if our default is set to 74.7?
Jeri Lee	On the larger lettering, the 2.5 mm stitch length is fine.
Jeri Lee	Marie, try it at these numbers and see what you get.
lattemarie	ok
Jeri Lee	These are the numbers I use and I am at 74.7, but first did this exercise when my system was set at 63.5
Jeri Lee	As the size of the lettering gets smaller, you get to adjust your stitch length.
Jeri Lee	On the 5.75 mm, 2.5 is still okay
Jeri Lee	On the third and fourth texts down, go to 2 mm stitch length.
Jeri Lee	Now.
Jeri Lee	Duplicate those 4 lines (5 if you added a bottom one at 3.5 mm high)
Jeri Lee	and move to the other side of your screen, and paste.
Jeri Lee	Change the text to a serif.
Jeri Lee	Ready for what is next?
Jeri Lee	(and I will post these on embforum... lol)
Jeri Lee	You are going to stitch this out.
Jeri Lee	The reason you are doing this is,
Saundra-Works of ARt	everything needs to go from screen to machine to really see it. so hoop up 4 different kinds of fabric and run this too see what it does. this ill help you with your density settings and backings to use also
Jeri Lee	you can see exactly what manipulations you can make in your stock keyboard lettering,
Jeri Lee	and how manipulations can make the impossible possible.
Jeri Lee	Saundra is correct there also.
Saundra-Works of ARt	Practice, Practice, Practice
Jeri Lee	run this on every type of fabric you need to do lettering on and you will see exactly what adjustments you are going to need to make.
Jeri Lee	and you thought tonight was going to be easy.... lol
Jeri Lee	did I lose anyone
lattemarie	Which text should we use for the 2nd set of letters?
Saundra-Works of ARt	After all this is not an exact science and eveery aspect effects the outcome
Jeri Lee	any serif your little heart desires.
lattemarie	ok
Jeri Lee	BINGO
lattemarie	Do we use 2mm stitch length for rows 3, 4 & 5?
Jeri Lee	Did you guys understand
lattemarie	k
Jeri Lee	marie, correct
ladyle	;)
Laurel Lee	makes more sense now
hack	we're here
Jeri Lee	If you are a Pulse lister person, I want you to email me privately at jerilee@blackeagledesigns.com and I will send you the file if I confused you.
physte2	Got it!
Jeri Lee	I will post files to EmbForum tonight on this in case I left anyone in the dust, but I want you guys to do this.
Jeri Lee	It is a healthy exercise (unlike the cookies) that will teach you a lot.
Shelly	lol
Jeri Lee	(Pass the cookies).
Jeri Lee	Now.
Jeri Lee	I KNOW there have to be questions.
Jeri Lee	What are they
eleganttreasures@fuse.net	will they make it to Cincy?
Saundra-Works of ARt	Okay, did you get them??
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